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Thizzle · Jul 16, 2008, 02:31 PM // 14:31

I just got done reading a thread and people have said they've made large gold transfers then never got banned, but there has also been the exact opposite where they made a large ban and got a citation for it. The thing is 1 account mark is nothing, but that's still an account mark. Can you get in trouble for trading gold between your own accounts or is it only between a suspicious gold seller?

nidy · Jul 16, 2008, 02:33 PM // 14:33

I'm pretty sure you can trade gold all you want between your accounts, just don't buy it with real world money from others.

Miska Bow · Jul 16, 2008, 02:34 PM // 14:34

Play it safe and always put a stack of crap in exchange.

Just my humble opinion.

Thizzle · Jul 16, 2008, 02:34 PM // 14:34

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Originally Posted by nidy

I'm pretty sure you can trade gold all you want between your accounts, just don't buy it with real world money from others.

I understand that much now, but people have reported getting infractions for just doing that.

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Originally Posted by Miska Bow

Play it safe and always put a stack of crap in exchange.

Just my humble opinion.

That does sounds like the best idea.

nidy · Jul 16, 2008, 02:38 PM // 14:38

Take screen shots of all the transactions too if you feel like it, so if you do get suspended you can show that you only traded between accounts you own. Just an idea.

Thizzle · Jul 16, 2008, 02:40 PM // 14:40

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Originally Posted by nidy

Take screen shots of all the transactions too if you feel like it, so if you do get suspended you can show that you only traded between accounts you own. Just an idea.

I have one more question. What if your someone robbed somebody's account and then started selling all those items in trade chat and you bought some. Would you be in trouble for that?

Evil_Necro · Jul 16, 2008, 02:45 PM // 14:45

really the best thing is just trade random crap when you trade, and screenshot.

if I want to be really really safe, I wouldnt do it more than 2 times under a week.

my 2c..

-tora-

Sjeng · Jul 16, 2008, 02:46 PM // 14:46

I'll just quote myself from that other thread:

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Originally Posted by Sjeng

Some tips:

1- If I trade between my own accounts, or give stuff to friends, I always to it in my guild hall. You can guest invite friends if they're not already in your alliance for a mere 100g. Stay away from Temple of Balthazar.

2- If the trade exceeds 100k, have the other person trade something back. Useless gold items or whatever. You can always just give those items back later.

3- If you still feel unsafe, just make a party with the other person, and type in the team-chat what you're trading and why. Then make a screenshot of the trade with the chat visible. You can always send that in if you do get banned and explain the situation with hard proof.

Hope it helps.

Shadowspawn X · Jul 16, 2008, 02:51 PM // 14:51

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Originally Posted by Miska Bow

Play it safe and always put a stack of crap in exchange.

Just my humble opinion.

That does not work. Ex guildie of mine was perma- banned for buying ectos and he put junk golds in the window in exchange for the ecto. Couple of hours later his GW days were over.

Thizzle · Jul 16, 2008, 02:52 PM // 14:52

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Originally Posted by Shadowspawn X

That does not work. Ex guildie of mine was perma- banned for buying ectos and he put junk golds in the window in exchange for the ecto. Couple of hours later his GW days were over.

But that's crap unless it was a goldseller.

romeus petrus · Jul 16, 2008, 02:55 PM // 14:55

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Originally Posted by nidy

Take screen shots of all the transactions too if you feel like it, so if you do get suspended you can show that you only traded between accounts you own. Just an idea.

QFT

If you are trading large amounts of cash make sure you screen it.

LifeInfusion · Jul 16, 2008, 03:13 PM // 15:13

I've traded over a million gold in between my two accounts but on the registration they both have my name and address letter for letter.

Zabe · Jul 16, 2008, 03:50 PM // 15:50

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Originally Posted by Sjeng

I'll just quote myself from that other thread:

Hope it helps.

ANet has logs from all discussions in all chats. Even in private.

Kanyatta · Jul 16, 2008, 04:32 PM // 16:32

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Originally Posted by nidy

I'm pretty sure you can trade gold all you want between your accounts, just don't buy it with real world money from others.

After personally getting banned for trading gold between accounts, I kind of take offense to this. I think it might have something to do with the location of the trade. I did the trading in the GToB, which probably isn't under the radar, because most RL gold trades go down there or Ascalon ID1.

BTW, should this be merged with the other thread? Same basic idea.

TheRaven · Jul 16, 2008, 06:30 PM // 18:30

Not sure that we have all the facts to really come to a good conclusion here. I'm sure A-net looks at many factors before deciding to ban an account. We also rarely hear the full story from folks here that have been banned.

I know that some people are banned unfairly and usually in those cases the ban is overturned on appeal. It could have been an overzealous employee that's heavy with the banstick or a lazy employee that skipped a few items on his checklist before banning. Some factors to consider:

- How often is this account involved in a 1-sided trade?
- Are both trade partners in the same guild?
- Pull chat logs during the trade. Are there any clues there?
- Has either trade partner been under suspension for gold buying/selling before?
- Are both trade partners coming from the same ip.address?

Consider this scenario - A guildie creates a new Ritualist. He's never played a Rit before and wants to learn the class. You have a nice gold Rit Staff. Semi-Expensive but you haven't been able to sell it and you have no use for it. This guildie has given you stuff in the past so you give him the staff and some materials that he'll need to craft some nice rit armor. The next day you're temp-banned. Huh???? No way!!!! Not Fair!!! I just gave my friend some stuff!! Well what you didn't know was that your guildie buys small amounts of gold about once a month from gold sellers. He just bought 200k about 15 minutes before you gave him the staff. To Anet it appears that your account is involved with the gold selling.

The bottom line is that we really don't know what factors A-net looks at before banning and we'll never know.

Shadowspawn X · Jul 16, 2008, 06:35 PM // 18:35

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Originally Posted by Thizzle

But that's crap unless it was a goldseller.

It was, they must know if you trade with certain people who have the ip address of know gold sellers.

Gift3d · Jul 16, 2008, 07:13 PM // 19:13

I've done large 100k trades between two of my own accounts, i've given away 100k amounts to friends also, and i've been lucky enough not to get a ban. Haven't done that in a while, and i didn't put anything in return to the trades either. I guess it's just luck, but if i would have gotten shit from ANet about it, their support would have gotten my half of hell for sure.

Ignatius Tremere · Jul 16, 2008, 10:44 PM // 22:44

Well i have recently received a ban for this and all i did was trade a friend 100k and he traded it right back. No money gained or lost on either side. The two key factors i think are: 1) The trade was in GToB 2) His Account was new.
Now i have sent an appeal to support with no response yet 24 hours later. I think the worth part is my friends account was Perma Banned. All this for two trades of 100k in each direction. I think who ever handed out this ban was stoned or somthing, since neither account gained or lost any money, i don't know how this could have been construed as buying gold.
Some of the factors that should have been looked at by anet. My friends new account was coming from the same ip address as 5 other accounts that have existed for years. I've heard that appeals take 4-5 hours but still nothing yet.. /sigh

Thizzle · Jul 16, 2008, 10:53 PM // 22:53

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Originally Posted by Ignatius Tremere

Well i have recently received a ban for this and all i did was trade a friend 100k and he traded it right back. No money gained or lost on either side. The two key factors i think are: 1) The trade was in GToB 2) His Account was new.
Now i have sent an appeal to support with no response yet 24 hours later. I think the worth part is my friends account was Perma Banned. All this for two trades of 100k in each direction. I think who ever handed out this ban was stoned or somthing, since neither account gained or lost any money, i don't know how this could have been construed as buying gold.
Some of the factors that should have been looked at by anet. My friends new account was coming from the same ip address as 5 other accounts that have existed for years. I've heard that appeals take 4-5 hours but still nothing yet.. /sigh

Glad to hear someone who did a test. Now I have a question and I don't think anyone has tested this yet. What if you go to a very desolate place and then go outside with 100k and another person in your party. You drop the 100k, they pick it up. That way nobody has traded yet, but is that still ban worthy? I'm trying to figure out anet's logic.

Snow Bunny · Jul 16, 2008, 10:56 PM // 22:56

Trade something seemingly valuable alongside.

Throw a junk gold 15% hexed fellblade for the 100k, do it in your guild hall, and if you're banned, I'd be very surprised.